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		<title>By: Kevin T. Keith</title>
		<link>http://econ4u.org/blog/2009/05/06/this-is-not-a-post-about-jessica-alba/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin T. Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;20% of households pay about 86% of total income taxes&lt;/em&gt;

OK, but why, when this kind of discussion comes up, do the people citing this statistic &lt;em&gt;never, ever&lt;/em&gt;, even &lt;em&gt;once&lt;/em&gt;, note how much &lt;em&gt;money&lt;/em&gt; those people have, to say nothing of how much wealth overall, and what other kind of taxes they (mostly don&#039;t) pay? Whether or not they&#039;re paying the right level of taxes depends on how much they have to tax.

The top quintile earns about 53% of all income and pays about 83% of federal personal income taxes, but only about 63% of total federal taxes including Social Security (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States#cite_note-25&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2001 data&lt;/a&gt;). They also have 47% of disposable income (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/effect2005/graphs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2005 data&lt;/a&gt;), and 93% of all financial wealth and 85% of all net worth (all assets) (&lt;a href=&quot;http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2004 data&lt;/a&gt;).

In other words, they pay higher taxes because they&#039;ve got all the money! Their aggregate income tax is barely  higher than their aggregate income, and only by the narrow definition of &quot;income&quot; (which leaves out capital gains and other non-wage income). Even that is hardly surprising: in a fair, properly progressive tax system, those with vastly higher marginal income &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; pay a higher income tax rate than those income is barely at the sustenance level.

The real question is not why a population that controls 2 1/2 times as much income per capita, and over 4 times as much net wealth, as average, pays per capita taxes 1.2 times higher than average. It is rather why the lowest 40% of the country controls only about 12% of all income, year after year. One might go on to ask what &lt;em&gt;would be&lt;/em&gt; the appropriate tax rate for a group that earns only 1/3 of the national average income per capita, 1/3 third of whom are actually below the already abysmally-low official poverty definition? How much of the debt incurred to rescue Wall Street, and Detroit, and the international bank chains, would be that group&#039;s fair share?

As for a $71K income being in the top 20%, what you&#039;re looking at is income stratification. First, $71K is a decent living, even in an expensive city (and especially for one person); and on a household-average basis (not single earner), the top-quintile cutoff is $90K (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2005 data&lt;/a&gt;). Barely 5% of the population earns above $150K. We&#039;ve been so mesmerized by rich assholes demanding $100 million bonuses for destroying other people&#039;s retirement funds that we forget only a tiny fraction of the population gets paid like that. But in a population in which 12-15% are consistently below poverty level, and 95% earn less than $150K per family, then, yes, a family with $90K is top-quintile.

If your point is that they don&#039;t have the excess income to pay down the debt accumulated by the top 1% who ruined the economy and stuck us with the bill, you may be right - hopefully we can get some of it back by taxing the snot out of the assholes who did it after we&#039;ve saved them by mortgaging our futures to do so. But that says nothing about whether or not the bailout was necessary - it only illustrates the magnitude of the disaster. As for the groaning burdens of the upper class, I&#039;ll be happy to switch to a flat tax if we assign it to wealth, not wage income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>20% of households pay about 86% of total income taxes</em></p>
<p>OK, but why, when this kind of discussion comes up, do the people citing this statistic <em>never, ever</em>, even <em>once</em>, note how much <em>money</em> those people have, to say nothing of how much wealth overall, and what other kind of taxes they (mostly don&#8217;t) pay? Whether or not they&#8217;re paying the right level of taxes depends on how much they have to tax.</p>
<p>The top quintile earns about 53% of all income and pays about 83% of federal personal income taxes, but only about 63% of total federal taxes including Social Security (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States#cite_note-25" rel="nofollow">2001 data</a>). They also have 47% of disposable income (<a href="http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/effect2005/graphs.html" rel="nofollow">2005 data</a>), and 93% of all financial wealth and 85% of all net worth (all assets) (<a href="http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html" rel="nofollow">2004 data</a>).</p>
<p>In other words, they pay higher taxes because they&#8217;ve got all the money! Their aggregate income tax is barely  higher than their aggregate income, and only by the narrow definition of &#8220;income&#8221; (which leaves out capital gains and other non-wage income). Even that is hardly surprising: in a fair, properly progressive tax system, those with vastly higher marginal income <em>should</em> pay a higher income tax rate than those income is barely at the sustenance level.</p>
<p>The real question is not why a population that controls 2 1/2 times as much income per capita, and over 4 times as much net wealth, as average, pays per capita taxes 1.2 times higher than average. It is rather why the lowest 40% of the country controls only about 12% of all income, year after year. One might go on to ask what <em>would be</em> the appropriate tax rate for a group that earns only 1/3 of the national average income per capita, 1/3 third of whom are actually below the already abysmally-low official poverty definition? How much of the debt incurred to rescue Wall Street, and Detroit, and the international bank chains, would be that group&#8217;s fair share?</p>
<p>As for a $71K income being in the top 20%, what you&#8217;re looking at is income stratification. First, $71K is a decent living, even in an expensive city (and especially for one person); and on a household-average basis (not single earner), the top-quintile cutoff is $90K (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">2005 data</a>). Barely 5% of the population earns above $150K. We&#8217;ve been so mesmerized by rich assholes demanding $100 million bonuses for destroying other people&#8217;s retirement funds that we forget only a tiny fraction of the population gets paid like that. But in a population in which 12-15% are consistently below poverty level, and 95% earn less than $150K per family, then, yes, a family with $90K is top-quintile.</p>
<p>If your point is that they don&#8217;t have the excess income to pay down the debt accumulated by the top 1% who ruined the economy and stuck us with the bill, you may be right &#8211; hopefully we can get some of it back by taxing the snot out of the assholes who did it after we&#8217;ve saved them by mortgaging our futures to do so. But that says nothing about whether or not the bailout was necessary &#8211; it only illustrates the magnitude of the disaster. As for the groaning burdens of the upper class, I&#8217;ll be happy to switch to a flat tax if we assign it to wealth, not wage income.</p>
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